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  so they never claimed to be an inspired prophet?

  by ninja in

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  *** si p. 9 all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial ***.

  line of communication.

  16 someone may ask, what has been the means of communication?

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  noun, plural -cies.

  1.	the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.

  2.	something that is declared by a prophet, esp. a divinely inspired prediction, instruction, or exhortation.

  3.	a divinely inspired utterance or revelation: oracular prophecies.

  4.	the action, function, or faculty of a prophet

  I found this definition of prophecy online. There isn't much wiggle room here.

  Sounds like setting dates would fit the definition of predicting what is to come.

  Following the logic, if someone who claims some special insight into the Bible, claims something specific will happen on a certain date, and it doesn't happen, that person would be a false prophet.

  Reniaa, tell me where my logic is off, what am I missing here?

  (I can't believe I've gotten hooked into one of these discussions, and I only started posting a couple of weeks ago!)
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  so they never claimed to be an inspired prophet?

  by ninja in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  *** si p. 9 all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial ***.

  line of communication.

  16 someone may ask, what has been the means of communication?

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  Reniaa-

  I almost don't know how to respond to you. How can you say that setting dates for future events is not prophecying? Being so certain about things, as the society is, implies that they have a special channel to God? Isn't that the same as being inspired?

  Also, how can you call what the WTS does "refinement"?

  Does it bother you that they are only "refined" AFTER they are backed into a corner?

  It also seems to me that if the WTs is not inspired, the teachings can't be called The Truth. If you want to follow their teachings, go ahead, but not being inspired makes them opinions. How then, can you criticize other views in "christendom" if what you are following are opinions?

  One other thing, JWs hide behind the "imperfection" thing. You can't have it both ways. I get really annoyed with people who use that argument, and then go on to claim that these "imperfect" men are the only ones in the world who know the Truth! How does this imperfect organization get it's information? If the GB is not inspired, anything they teach should be questioned right? Go to one of the local elders with this question like I did.

  Let me know how that goes for you.
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  so they never claimed to be an inspired prophet?

  by ninja in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  *** si p. 9 all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial ***.

  line of communication.

  16 someone may ask, what has been the means of communication?

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  Jack Burton

  I may not be able to play scriptural ping pong as well as some, but something Reniaa said a couple of pages back made me think

  "The breaking point is when you no longer accept refinement and teach things contrary to bible teachings buying into the delusion/lie that the majority of christendom now follows contrary to bible teachings in so many ways."

  That comment about refinement was something my Mom would always use to prove that JWs have the truth. It always bothered me because, why would God use deception and/or outright lies to "test" his people? In my mind, that would make God anything but loving.

  Reniaa, I don't know you, as I haven't been posting very long, but it seems to me, that you are unwilling to respond to specific questions. You also equated the Watchtower and Awake to "tools". If I were to build a structure, based in a set of plans, and if my "tools" were not right, say my tape measure is off by an inch, the building won't match the plans. Should that be the customers fault because they aren't satisfied? Would the fault lie with the architect? No, it would be the builders fault for misreading the plans, however good his intentions were.

  As many others keep pointing out, that verse in Deut. is pretty cut and dried.

  It amazes me I fell for this B.S.
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  I think we have another JWN (pro JW site) boys and girls...

  by middleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .........and they so far had 35,405 "lovers of truth" stop by their lovely site.

  here's the link below.... http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.com/.

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  Jack Burton

  Try posting something on this site. I ran into it a couple of weeks ago, and thought it might be interesting to see if I could get any responses to some pretty tame questions about WTS. My comments were never posted. They must have been deemed too scary.

  For a group that says that only they will be able to stand up to the combined efforts of Satan and all the worlds governments to shut them down, you'd think a little question about the memorial would be childs play.

  Never thought I'd be scarier than Satan. Pretty cool
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  Of all known religious beliefs which one seems most reasonable?

  by The Berean in

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  buddhism would be my choice ....

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  Has anyone read any of OSHO's books, particularily The Book Of Understanding?

  He brings up metatrons argument. He thinks that mankind needs to embrace both- Western science to improve the physical world, and Eastern spirituality to improve ourselves.

  Not technically a religion, but seems to fit this thread
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  Of all known religious beliefs which one seems most reasonable?

  by The Berean in

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  buddhism would be my choice ....

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  I agree with Satanus. Hinduism to me is the most reasonable, if I was forced to pick one.

  I do like Hinduisms tolerance of other viewpoints. Ramakrishna equated all the worlds religions as heading to the same place.

  "As one and the same material, water, is called by different names by different peoples, one calling it water, another eau, a third aqua, and another pani, so the Everlasting-Intelligent-Bliss is invoked by some as God, by some as Allah, by some as Jehovah, and by others as Brahman.

  As one can ascend to the top of a house by means of a ladder or a bamboo or a staircase or a rope, so diverse are the ways and means to approach God, and every religion in the world shows one of these ways."

  I love this line of resoning
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  My sons first real birthday celebration...

  by Jack Burton in

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  so my youngest son turned 5 today.

  this was our first real party for one of our children.

  we always did what i expect alot of us witnesses did, have a "special day" party...just not calling it a birthday.

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  So my youngest son turned 5 today. This was our first real party for one of our children. We always did what I expect alot of us witnesses did, have a "special day" party...just not calling it a birthday. We had a good time, even invited some neighbor kids over for cake. They came over with their Dad, who wanted to wish Satchel a happy birthday. He thought it would be a great idea for his kids to sing happy birthday to my son. So we all joined in.

  After they went home my wife and I were talking about how weird it felt, we wondered if we had done the birthday thing right, wich seems completely ridiculous. It made me think of how deeply the tentacles of "The Truth" penetrate a person.

  Any thoughts on how long its taken you to shed the last shreds of "the new personality"?

  I guess I would rather do a half-assed job of being "wordly", than be a blind sheep anyday!
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  The meetings at the Kingdom Hall now are positively scary

  by BonaFide in

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  2. friends

  what was i thinking my entire life?

  during the first part about submission, everyone gave the same comments about being obedient to the elders even though you may not agree with them.

  and they talked about submission to the organization no matter what.. no one, i mean no one raised the possibility that the counsel or instructions might be wrong, or harmful.

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  That's exactlly what happened. Only one of the elders got involved, and that was only to get him out of there A.S.A.P.

  What a bunch of Bulls*&t!
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  New member

  by Winston Smith :>D in

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  i just wanted to say hi to the group here.. been baptized for 15 years now.

  my wife has been baptized for a little less than that time period.. been an aux poi., reg pio, ms. wife is a reg pio currently.

  now im just a lowly publisher :d. have had many doubts over the years on small matters.

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  Jack Burton

  This is for ziddina...

  Thanks for the kind words, "Winston" never posts anymore. He is a true "Jedi Master"

  Read his post titled Swan Song, it may be one of the greatest peices of poetry I have ever read. "Winston" is doing great. He has been Yoda to my Luke Skywalker...
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  The meetings at the Kingdom Hall now are positively scary

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what was i thinking my entire life?

  during the first part about submission, everyone gave the same comments about being obedient to the elders even though you may not agree with them.

  and they talked about submission to the organization no matter what.. no one, i mean no one raised the possibility that the counsel or instructions might be wrong, or harmful.

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  Jack Burton

  The last turd of a meeting I went to was 2 weeks ago. I went to support my 13 year old son who got suckered into a talk by my mother in law. He is everything I wish I could have been, He sees the "Truth" for what it is, but doesn't want to stir up too much shit with his Gramma.

  Right before his talk, someone in the back of the hall started having a heart attack. I saw all of this from the 2nd school.(My goatee and earrings scare too many "freinds") Paramedics had to bee called, but not even someone in an obvious fight for his life didn't stop the f*&cking spiritual food from being dispensed. The paramedics had to keep speaking louder and louder to be heard over the comments during the "bible highlights".

  Nothing was even mentioned about the incident the rest of the meeting. That was soooo surreal.

  I'm glad I'm out for good